with the polling, the one thing that those that hold on to the second amendment and feel that the obama administration wants to come after their guns still support, you know, some type of legislation on background checks. or universal background checks. >> sure. what i think we can read in to that is the nra sees it as their job, their mandate to oppose any form of gun control. that's what their members expect from them. the fact that something like that still polls so highly and still has some traction even among republican legislators tells you that the nra is not successful in dictating the party line. that the nra can be against something and there will still be leaders in the congress and in the public who feel that they have the freedom to deviate from that, that the nra can't tell them what to do. >> jimmy, the senate hearing witness list, folks from both sides, pro safety, mark kelly, james johnson, a chief of police in baltimore and chairman of the national law enforcement partnership. those on the other side, wayne lapierre, nicholas johnson and gayle trotter but as i understa